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Opinion: Rescind Opposition to Charter School Amendment

"If Georgia PTA refuses to align itself with National PTA, then the Georgia PTA leaders need to be excused from their duties," a DeKalb charter school parent writes.

I am a parent of two children who attend school in South DeKalb County. I have always paid my PTA dues, blindly believing that it was part of being an engaged parent.

Last year I had the difficult choice of deciding where to send my daughter for middle school. I liked the local middle school magnet program, but was hesitant to send her there because of school-wide discipline issues. I worried even more because at 11 years old, my daughter (who is a gymnast) is very physically fit, but also fully developed and subject to inappropriate comments from older boys. Our home middle school and high school have even more discipline problems. The high school has the lowest graduation rate in the county.

To add to my worries, I also had a 5 year-old son ready to start kindergarten. How could I keep him from entering a system destined to fail him as well? After a summer filled with worry, I saw a story on television about two new charter schools: for Girls and Ivy Preparatory Academy for Boys. I did some additional research and was so impressed by the school that I enrolled both my children and immediately paid my PTA membership fees as well.

The first year of PTA at Ivy Prep began well, but in January of 2012, I began to question the mission of the PTA. A friend up in North Fulton received an email message from his PTA, urging him to vote against HR 1162, a resolution that would allow the state to authorize charter schools denied by local school boards. He was furious and complained to his school PTA. Our PTA President received the same email from Georgia PTA and wrote to them: “HR1162 is actually supported by some of your members. I am the president of the PTSA at Ivy Prep Academy and we are rallying for this resolution to pass. We are members of Georgia PTA and have paid dues. Please stop sending messages to “oppose” a bill that would actually assist your members.” Of course, we did not receive a response.

As the year went on, we began to see more and more “official statements” from Georgia PTA. Many Ivy Prep parents began pushing to change our PTA to a PTO. At this point, we have three “sister schools.” One has a PTO and two have PTAs. When our school opened the year with a PTA, I refused to join. Since then, our PTA group has asked the Georgia PTA to rescind our membership, but they have refused.

Public school education reform is a key issue in America. It doesn’t matter whether we are Democrats or Republicans. We want our children to have the best education possible. When our children are attending an area school that is not serving their needs, we want other viable options. That’s right, we want choice! This year, the Georgia General Assembly worked tirelessly to pass HR 1162 and HB 797. HR 1162 gives the state the authority to approve (not run!) qualified charter schools that are denied by local school boards. HB 797 controls the funding that will go to these schools and mandates that no local funds will be diverted to these schools. Both measures passed with bi-partisan support.

In a recent change of policy, National PTA not only reaffirmed that that charter schools offer meaningful choices for parents and families, they also , not just local school districts. Yet Georgia PTA refused to adopt their position. They act like recalcitrant children, refusing to follow their parent organization’s guidelines. , as reported by Patch writer Rodney Thrash.

The “facts” the Georgia PTA presents are not just misleading, but false. If Georgia PTA refuses to align itself with National PTA, then the . The National PTA web site states that it is the largest volunteer child advocacy association in the nation and it provides parents and families with a powerful voice to speak on behalf of every child. To me that means "Every Child, One Voice," not "Every Child, One Choice."

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Frank Jones September 17, 2012 at 07:16 pm
8. "Charter schools are run by a non-profit board" which hires a management company and for an example you cite CCA. In CCA's case, you have the facts all wrong. Charter Schools USA set up the Georgia foundation, set up the non-profit board and selected the board members. Charter School USA hired itself via its hand-selected board members. This was not a "grass-roots"/ground-up endeavour but instead, a top-down/corporate planned school.
9. "The management company gets paid a fee...can be fired...is employed much like the superintendent and the central office staff". It is hirely unlikely that the management company will be fired in CCA's case since the board was hand-picked by the management company. Further, it is unlikely that Charter Schools USA will be fired as it controls the real estate. It is also false to compare a management company to the Superintendent and central office since the management company not only pays its people but also keeps a sizable portion of the fee as PROFITS. The superintendent and central office receive compensation only. There is no separate profit motive.
Frank Jones September 17, 2012 at 07:30 pm
10. "The argument that for profit companies should not be used in charters is an unfair statement" since traditional schools hire third parties. That claim is false because in the case of traditional schools, the school determines the need, specifies the terms, has open bidding, budgets the funds and does all of this in the open subject to public review and oversight. Charters on the other hand, does everything behind closed doors and without open bidding or self-dealing rules....it's like having the fox guard the hen-house.
11. Funding - you argue that local state and local funding should follow the student and that if local funding does not follow the student to charters, that the traditional schools benefit. That is certainly one way to local at the situation, but there is another valid way of analyzing the situation. It can be argued that the school system knows that a certain percentage of students will be home schooled, attend private, church or charter schools and then reduces the school tax rate. As such, everyone in the county receives a tax break for each student not attending a traditional school. 12. On funding, it is likewise a valid argument to claim that since the state is now funding charters supplemental amounts (to supplement for local money & capital expenditures), that the state will either cut its share of funding per student or implement a tax increase in order to have enough funds to cover the additional costs. There's only one pool of money.
Frank Jones September 17, 2012 at 07:44 pm
13. "The children that were failing in district schools, under this new style of teaching (charter-style), are flourishing." You claim that charter schools have a special type of education not found in traditional schools and that failing students are no longer failing. Are you saying that ALL failing students are now "A-B" students? Are you saying that ALL failing students are no longer failing? Are you saying that no A-B student has slipped to C-D-F?
Obviously, I support public schools and believe that public schools should be administrered by a locally-elected and accountable school board. I support charters and altenative schools as long as they are set-up, managed, or approved by the local school board which retains ultimate oversight. I do not support the commercialization of public schools and the underhanded political moves by the state legislature. I wish that you and the other Pro-Profit parents would work within the existing system to help improve schools for all students, instead of insisting on a separate system that will incur greater costs (short- and long-term) than the current system. It's a shame that so much effort is being spent dividing us as opposed to uniting us.
John Konop September 17, 2012 at 08:00 pm
Regular Get Schooled blog readers know Cherokee businessman John Konop as an astute commenter on the economics of education. He’s also a great debater as he focuses on the facts and does not get carried away with politics or ideology.
And he posts under his name, which signals that he stands behind his comments. Konop has sparked debate in Cherokee County over questions on the funding of a charter school there and who gets stuck with the bill. Konop raised these issues with the Cherokee County School Board at a recent meeting. Here is a followup letter he sent board member Michael Geist: Dear Mr. Geist, According to a recent newspaper article, it seems you are still very confused about why you’re getting so much negative feedback about the lack of fiscal controls in the charter school amendment that you support. I will once again clarify the issues by explaining how the Cherokee Charter Academy (CCA) was funded and how the current charter school amendment fails protect tax payers. • CCA’s owner/operators (a private company) were given over $1million of taxpayer money as start-up capital........ Read More http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2012/09/10/does-charter-school-funding-leave-taxpayers-holding-the-bag/
Thomas Hart September 17, 2012 at 08:33 pm
I read the AJC article. Make sure to read deep into the comments to see the well constructed and asserted arguments that countered Mr. Konop and his considerable intellect.
I was at the BOE meeting where Mr. Konop attacked Mr. Geist by name from the public microphone. Board policy states that the public is to address the board as a whole and not address the individual members when given the mic. Mr. Geist endured Mr. Konop's pointed words with dignity. The real shame is that the BOE Chairman chose to let Mr. Konop continue and only spoke up to clarify that most of the board was in agreement with Mr. Konop instead of preserving the decorum necessary for public comment. I think Mr. Chapman owes Mr. Geist an apology.
June Jones September 18, 2012 at 02:52 pm
Mr Hart, I think Mike Chapman should apologize to the entire county for his actions and lack of respect for the parents and to his fellow board member. He is angry with Mr. Geist because he supports the Charter Academy. Mr Chapman regularly fails to be articulate or conduct himself in a professional manner. Unfortunately the people spewing comments on this page have only a fraction of the information they need to make an informed decision on this amendment.
Steely Dan September 18, 2012 at 03:42 pm
Meanwhile. Dekalb County's local BOE is being investigated by SACS and may lose accreditation due to school board mismanagement.
This is the sort of Local Board that Frank & Mrs. Hooper wishes we'd all just "work within the existing system" to enact change. A Board that ""isn't a board anymore. It's actually nine political leaders who have their own alliances and allegiances." "They pursue their own interests, in spite of what the system needs. It's their interests that are in charge of what happens,", according to the SACS President Mark Elgart. These are the exact sorts of people running most county BOEs and are poster-child reasons why charters are needed and why the current model of Local Board Cronyism that Frank Jones supports must be overhauled. But since that won't be happening anytime soon (too many Billions $$$ at stake!!), 1162 must pass to provide alternatives to the complete, total joke that is the GA public educational system. http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/257206/3/SACS-to-investigate-DeKalb-County-Schools
Frank Jones September 18, 2012 at 07:37 pm
Steely...Here you go again, twisting my words for your own agenda. As I've posted before, the state should not be getting involved in local school districts if they are working and not problematic. As I've stated, if there is gross mismanagement, fraud, corruption or illegal acts being committed by the board, then yes, the state should get involved.
Based upon the link you provided, SACS has received "allegations of school board mismanagement". At this time, it's just allegations. Until SACS visits the school system, completes their review, and reports their findings, you should not convict and execute the board. If SACS does find problems, I have no issue with the state implementing changes as reasonably necessary. One of the things that amazes me with your posts is your belief that all public school board members and all school administrators are in it for "the money" and for "their own interests"...as if the for-profit charter school management companies aren't in it for the money or for their own interests. Gee Whiz! Let's use a little logic for a moment. Whose more likely to be interested in the welfair of the children? A) A for-profit company trying to maximize profits while residing outside of state (i.e. not vested in the local community) or B) Citizens residing in the local community who have not ulterior profit motive? Ding, Ding, Ding...We have a winner "B"!
Diane Loupe September 18, 2012 at 08:38 pm
Indeed, not all Georgia public schools are failing. My daughter attended Decatur public schools from pre-k to 12th grade, got a Zell Miller scholarship to UGA and started college with 16 credits due to AP credits and an innovative Spanish program. It's worth it to notes that our school taxes are the highest in the state, and we are now turning away parents who want to pay tuition to attend our schools. Also, some DeKalb Public Schools are excellent and the county has granted some charters. Some of those have not been successful. I note that Steely Dan is lobbing his often erroneous jabs at public schools under a pseudonym. If you truly stand behind what you say, use your real name?
Diane Loupe September 18, 2012 at 08:46 pm
Also, I'd a school system is truly dysfunctional, creating a charter school may help some students, but what about all those other students left behind? Wouldn't a better amendment be one that allowed the state to replace an entire school board if certain standards weren't met. We decry teaching to the test, and the Atlanta troubles show the downfall of high stakes testing. I'm not sure I am against charter schools s much as I am against this particular amendment, which solves a nonexistent problem and is likely to divert scarce dollars away from public schools. (already a mechanism in place to approve charters if local school district will not.)
hope September 18, 2012 at 09:26 pm
I pay property taxes in Dekalb AND Cherokee. My kids attend CCA. I'm disgusted by what is "allegedly" going on in Dekalb County, but I'm not surprised.
Thomas Hart September 18, 2012 at 09:29 pm
Frank,
You left out C) A parent with a choice.
Diane Loupe September 18, 2012 at 09:59 pm
Hope, I'm not defending DeKalb, by any means. They need a good housecleaning. But some charter schools, or voucher schools, can be just as bad. http://www.southerneddesk.org/louisiana-voucher-schools-curriculum-controversy/
Frank Jones September 18, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Thomas, parents have always had a choice.
Kaitlyn September 19, 2012 at 01:12 am
Did you know that state employees have not had a raise in 4 years? I have spent many weekends and weeknights doing all the paperwork required to do my job as a teacher. As a single parent, my own child has gone without to buy needed supplies, like paper and therapy materials that my school system doesn't have the money to purchase. Many teachers pay for children's lunches and field trips when their students have no money to pay for it. Charter schools will not take any child with a disability or those with behavior problems. They pick and choose who they want. Be careful what you wish for. It may not be that the grass is always greener on the other side. The solution is to quit funding AFTER school activities and unnecessary staff and focus all of our money and attention on the students. Tell me why a superintendent needs to make a half of a million dollars or why a coach needs to make $200,000. That's the problem. Put the money back into the schools. We do our job every day to best of our ability with what little resources are provided
Rae Harkness September 20, 2012 at 02:44 am
I also pay prop taxes in DeKalb and they don't go to our charter school. Ideas to help all students left behind? Yes, that needs to be addressed, but to anyone that looked at the news yesterday...loaded guns at 2 DeKalb schools...video of fight at another...resource officer with broken ankle...come on, people! This doesn't come close to education. Some DeKalb Schools are becoming incubators for the DeKalb County Jail!
Steely Dan September 20, 2012 at 02:59 am
Frank, Quit with the lies about 'twisting words for my agenda'. You've been crystal-clear that you believe parents should work with local school boards. Don't cowardly back off your own wording now. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire (as we saw in APS). Yet you feel that parents should just be trapped in failing school systems rather than have an alternative.
Indeed, let's use a "little logic". Who's more interested in the "welfair" (<-- nice public ed. spelling there!) of children, Frank? Those who LOSE THEIR JOBS if they don't educate the children? Or the local superintendents & admins who simply stick their greedy hands out for More Funding & 'step raises' when they repeatedly fail to educate 1 of 3 GA HS kids or their schools fail to meet CRCT standards? There is no accountability whatsoever in GA public education. Locally, Petruzielo cares not about educating kids and why should he - he gets his fatcat gov't salary of $300K & monthly vehicle stipend REGARDLESS. Conversely, those in private & charter schools LOSE THEIR JOBS if their schools perform at the level many GA schools do. Logically, it's damn obvious who's more concerned: The people with the most to lose if they fail. It's called "accountability", Frank. You liberal worshipers of Government have no idea of the definition of the word. Nor do you give a crap about educating children - only More Funding. Or is this me just "twisting your words" again?
Rae Harkness September 20, 2012 at 03:04 am
There is no accountability whatsoever in GA public education. Locally, Petruzielo cares not about educating kids and why should he - he gets his fatcat gov't salary of $300K & monthly vehicle stipend REGARDLESS. Conversely, those in private & charter schools LOSE THEIR JOBS if their schools perform at the level many GA schools do. Logically, it's damn obvious who's more concerned: The people with the most to lose if they fail.
@Steely Dan Totally the truth...When one of our charter teachers isn't up to par, they are gone that week or month...not allowed to continue to fail children year after year!
Steely Dan September 20, 2012 at 03:12 am
I don't trust public school teachers to not retaliate against my son, Diane. Some of them are quite petty people, incapable of separating a parent's opinion from their job of educating the parent's child. It's OK - they'll get their annual raises no matter how poorly they do their job. There's no accountability.
I'm sure some public schools do an adequate job of providing an education. Heck, a stopped clock is right twice a day. But I've learned over the years that some of us simply have higher standards of education than others. For us, 'adequate' isn't enough. For example, some fans of GA public schools think that a 66% statewide graduation rate is worthy of praise and is adequate. Others like me see major room for improvement. For unknown reasons, we're scorned by many GA public school supporters for desiring excellence, rather than mediocrity. For $7 taxpayer Billion annually, we should all demand better. I'm glad that your daughter's school met your standards. My school district hasn't come close to meeting mine.
Rae Harkness September 20, 2012 at 03:15 am
Nor mine. My area high school graduates less than 50%.
Rae Harkness September 20, 2012 at 03:20 am
I am so proud of my daughter...she was a guest speaker for the Brighter Georgia Coalition today in support of the Georgia Charter School Amendment. She will be a great leader.
Steely Dan September 20, 2012 at 03:22 am
Diane, how has more money helped public schools to this point? We're spending $7 billion annually yet not graduating 1 of 3 HS students. Diverting taxpayer dollars to an alternative cannot possibly make things worse. We're already at the bottom-tier of American educational rankings. We've DOUBLED per-child spending in GA the past few decades...yet our metrics have embarrassingly decreased over that time period.
I know that "More money! More taxes" is the mantra of the liberal but at some point, adults need to admit that an idea is a failure and come up with something new. That time is now. Passing 1162 is a step in the right direction. Continuing to throw money at the same supers & admins already failing our children and expecting different results without accountability is complete, total insanity.
Steely Dan September 20, 2012 at 03:32 am
Frank, what about the poverty-stricken parents you've cited as examples in the past?
What choice have they 'always had'? Or am I just 'twisting your words' again? And your example left out: D) Local superintendents with signed contracts and 6-figure salaries that are not affected by a lack of student performance. Even in your example, the logical answer is 'A', as no for-profit company lasts long if it loses its "customers" (here, those are the children they'd be failing to educate, which would result in their 'business' (private/charter school) being closed. For-profit companies don't have the luxury of begging for more tax dollars....unless it's Government Motors begging your hero president Obama for more of my money!)
Steely Dan September 20, 2012 at 03:49 am
Kaitlyn, here in Cherokee County, teachers are getting across-the-board 3% raises in January, according to a July budgetary article Rodney Thrash posted here.
Also...there are tens of millions of Americans who haven't had a JOB, much less a raise, in 4 years either. Times are tough - we are all dealing with tightened budgets and the resulting fallout of the Recession. I'd think that publicly-funded charters would have to accept special-needs children, else face lawsuits. Where are these lawsuits, if your allegation is correct? I agree with you 100% on overpaid superintendents and athletic coaches. I'd much rather people like you on the front lines of education get my tax $$$ than some superintendent using it to fill up his gas-guzzling SUV via monthly car allowance. The people actually Teaching & funding for their classrooms should be First priority. Those Administering or Supervising should be paid last, if at all. Instead, it's the other way around, which is why we have furloughs. What I don't understand is why so many of the teachers I speak to support this system, rather than one that funds their needs 100% first. Do teachers really need Admins and Supers in order to do their job?
Steely Dan September 20, 2012 at 04:03 am
Frank, if increasing the salaries of local Supers & Admins produced better results...how come GA's educational rankings have plummeted the past 2 decades that we've been doing this?
No teacher's performance is improved by increasing the pay of a superintendent or admin. No student's ability to learn is improved by increasing the pay of a superintendent or admin. As usual, your ideology is a total failure when the cold shower of reality is turned on to it. But since it involves "Spend! Spend! Spend!", it's predictably the only idea you can come up with. You've clearly got no idea what it takes to succeed in the private sector if you believe that More Management is the Key to Success. Every honest private sector worker in this thread is laughing at you. But 'More Management' is the same as 'More Government' to you. Some of us don't need the managerial babysitting you clearly require for success, Frank. I'm betting no teacher does.
Steely Dan September 20, 2012 at 04:13 am
Any system that bypasses unions is a good system. Unions are completely, totally worthless and full of lecherous, lazy people with no incentive nor desire to perform. I.E. Chicago. Unions often protect & continue paying pedophile teachers, due to 'contractual obligations'.
Last I checked, GA teachers don't have a voice because they 'bypass unions' too. That's a credit to GA teachers. Keep unions out of GA!! PS: Inner city public schools are some of the most racially-isolated schools on planet Earth. Visit LA or NYC and see for yourself.
Rae Harkness September 21, 2012 at 04:11 am
@Thomas.....you said that so well, I gotta say, "AMEN"!
Thomas Hart September 21, 2012 at 04:40 am
Choice - an abundance or variety from which to choose
Chapman’s Choice – if you don’t like it you can move Hobson’s Choice – the choice of taking either that which is offered or nothing; the absence of a real alternative. Sophie’s Choice - a choice between two persons or things that will result in the death or destruction of the person or thing not chosen. Frank Jones' Choice - a chilling combination of Hobson’s and Sophie’s choices where the student/teacher/parent/taxpayer should just accept their fate and mediocrity is ok.
Leo Smith September 22, 2012 at 07:36 pm
That's true. One can argue about the track records of either. Looking at areas where performance on CRCT scores and violence is a problem, and comparing independent charters with traditional publics in that same area, there is no argument. The charters help those students best! Apples to Apples. But here's another important difference. When an independent public charter doesn't meet its objectives, charter law REQUIRES it to close. The children are that important. When a traditional public school has high crime and low graduation rates, they become a perennial feeder system for prison. Only when an extraordinary leader/teacher, willing to catch the heart and trust of caring parents, is able to push past the alienating bureaucracy of school boards do we see school improvement. Some believe that school independence, on a level field, with a fair share, is exactly what the current system stakeholders are afraid of. Why else would you stop parents from giving it their own best effort? Are they suggesting that a governing board of parents, community leaders and teachers are less capable than the average school board?
I've got a penny stock that only pays 4 out of 10 times. Few investors would go for that when odds favor more current, effective, and promising investment methods. A good charter school removes the shackles from a good teacher, a good traditional school has a good teacher fighting everyday against a system inflexible to all children's needs.
Juan Dela Cruz September 28, 2012 at 07:23 pm
Ms. Hooper, I have read in many of these blog posts the statistics. Of the 60 schools that applied for charters while there was a commission, only 4 were approved. That's terrible. Zero were approved the year before the commission. That's total failure by our local school systems.
I am tired of those very well to do people saying "my school is good, so you don't need one".

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